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Sarko - "null" points

by Ted Welch
Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 01:33:48 PM EST


Sarkozy lost the debate:

45% thought Hollande convincing, 41% for Sarkozy (some people will believe anything). H came over as far more sincere (what a surprise) - H: 46%, S: 33%.

So much for his typically arrogant claim that he would "explode" Hollande and that H was "null".

This latter insult he typically denied a few days earlier, lying that he never under-estimated his opponents. A Le Monde journalist in the after interview discussion pointed out that he HAD said H was "null" - his brazen lying is outrageous. But then lying is just politics as usual for Sarkozy, thus, as Le Monde points out, in the debate last night he lied that Berlusconi was not his friend and not in the same European political group - of course B IS his friend and they ARE both in the same right-wing European group.

http://decodeurs.blog.lemonde.fr/  (3rd May)

Hollande also referred to Sarko having had meetings with right-wingers where money was donated - Sarko lied again, but there are reports and photos of such events:

http://www.lemonde.fr/election-presidentielle-2012/article/2012/05/02/reunions-de-donateurs-l-amnesi e-de-sarkozy_1694463_1471069.html

Sarko knows that if he says things with apparent conviction many people will believe him - 20 million watched the debate on TV - but only a minority of people like me will look at Le Monde's "decodeurs" site to check the facts.

Many think Hollande clearly won, especially with his closing tirade, saying what kind of president he would be, contrasting it with Sarko's record. Many found this very powerful, and thought Sarko had made a big mistake in - for once - not interrupting. Even S's mate, Brice Hortefeux, thought it was "pas mal". Of course that other UMP liar, Copé, thought it was ridiculous - his evidence ? Some young UMP supporters laughed at it - that's the sort of thing Copé thinks the French are dumb enough to accept as proof.

http://www.lemonde.fr/election-presidentielle-2012/article/2012/05/03/moi-president-la-tirade-de-hol lande-qui-agace-le-camp-sarkozy_1695054_1471069.html

Of course, Copé is smart (so was Goebbels) and he knows that UMP supporters of all ages will not be laughing on Sunday. After five years of a guy who looks and sounds like a little Mafia boss, except that they might be more honest about the facts, France will get a decent man as President, but one who proved he is smart and can be tough. In the debate he gave a whole new meaning to "going Dutch" :-)


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François Bayrou just "came out" for Hollande. Bfd. Definitional centrist behaviour.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 03:46:17 PM EST
It's a measure of how far Sarkozy has painted himself into an ultra-rightwing corner, because Bayrou is quite distinctly centre-right.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 03:48:49 PM EST
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I am going to be so surprised when Hollande governs to the centre-right, too...

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 03:56:45 PM EST
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Yeah, yeah, I have no illusions about Hollande - nor about the French electorate; in a better world I would have preferred Mélenchon; but H is GREATLY preferable to Sarkozy - and I find it difficult to believe so many still support Sarko. So let's just hope I'm right about H's win and, if so, how lucky we are to be rid of Sarko.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 06:00:03 PM EST
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This maks me think: who could be the Right's candidate in five years' time? Are there men who aren't just loyal but have ambition and are worse than Sarko?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 06:40:09 PM EST
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Yes, the current head of the UMP  Copé, another nasty, arrogant , quite ruthless little shit, but arguably brighter and even more dangerous:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2012/05/03/01002-20120503ARTFIG00746-fillon-cope-juppe-hommes-forts -de-l-ump.php

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 06:52:35 PM EST
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Add Alain Juppé and François Fillon, who represent a more classical Gaullist line.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 4th, 2012 at 01:22:06 AM EST
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Without question, Hollande is greatly preferable to Sarkozy and we'll be glad to be rid of le petit Nicolas.

One interesting thing about this election is that there are rumours that in private many Spanish PP cadres are hoping that Hollande wins and puts an end to austerity because they know the austerity the Spanish government is feeling compelled to impose is not working and cannot work.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 4th, 2012 at 01:53:56 AM EST
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Wrote my comment below before seeing this one.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 4th, 2012 at 02:23:11 AM EST
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No one will be surprised.

The optimistic scenario I posted some time back was posited on a strong showing from the left in the first round of the election, a more leftwing prime minister as a result, and pressure from social movements and unions. The first of those conditions didn't come through, since the strong electoral showing was from the far right. The second is 99% certain not to materialise: the bets for PM are on Jean-Marc Ayrault (whom I personally take for an apparatchik, but the media say he speaks fluent German, which is presumably going to be helpful placating Teutonic ire). The third, we'll see.

What I like about the Roosevelt2012 initiative is that it offers, precisely, civil society, social and union movements a set of firm alternatives they can take on board. There are ideas there to break the TINA stranglehold -- it's a TARA manifesto.

Another element is the support Hollande might get in other Eurozone countries for an alternative to blanket austerity. As I've said before, it can't work so it won't work, and that fact is becoming ever more painfully apparent.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 4th, 2012 at 02:21:50 AM EST
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